PCP Episode 107: New Media in Paganism
Released Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:00:00 -0500 GMT
This episode is 1:05:47 long. Download MP3 (60.3 MB).
Hosts
Interview with Jason Pitzl-Waters
Credits
- List of websites and organizations mentioned
- PCP is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 US License.
- Season 11 Credits
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PCP Episode 106: Satanism and LHP (Pt. 2 of 2)
Released Sat, 06 Jun 2009 06:06:06 -0500 GMT
This episode is 1:01:07 long. Download MP3 (56.1 MB).
Introductions
- Regular Hosts:
- Amber – A Shamanic Kemetic Theurgist in the Outer Banks of North Carolina
- Ashlee – A Satanist in Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania
- Branden – A Theurgist in the Outer Banks of North Carolina
- Dave – An Eclectic Wiccan in Houston, Texas
- Guests:
- Barbara – A Native American in North Carolina
- James – A Left Hand Path Practitioner in New York
Announcements
- Today we’ll be continuing our exploration of the Left-Hand Path and Satanism with our resident Satanist and a guest host on the subject.
- Myths about Satanism
- “Satanism is just an inversion of Christianity”
- Satanic Magick
- Psychodrama: Magick is all about the “mood”
- Satanic ritual is used as a method of triggering an emotional response intense enough to attain the magic user’s goals.
- Lesser Magick: Manipulating people, using your physical body and its physical attributes to meet your goals.
- Manipulating the physical world with your physical body
- Lavey’s “The Satanic Witch”
- High Magick: Manipulating the physical world through metaphysical means. Use of ritual and psychic energy to attain your goals.
- Destruction Ritual: Used for destruction of an enemy, type of magic Satanists are most well known for.
- Compassion Ritual: used to help/heal oneself or a loved one.
- Psychodrama: Magick is all about the “mood”
- Satanic Organizations
- Church of Satan: Most well known, started by Lavey.
- Temple of Set: Former member of the Cos Micheal Aquino broke off from the CoS to form this group. Aquino is said to have received direct contact with the Egyptian deity Set to create this group.
- Major focus on intellectual development also known as Xepher, to become.
- Official Site for Temple of Set
- Joy of Satan: Internet based group, claim to have largest e-mailing list. Theistic Satanists, believe Satan to be actual entity. Ties to fascist organizations. Conspiracy theorists of the Left Hand Path. Very diverse interests.
- Satanic and LHP Further Reading
- The Satanic Bible, The Satanic Rituals, The Satanic Witch, Lords of the Left Hand Path, Might is Right, Mysteries of the Temple of Set, Liber Null / Psychonaut, Liber Kaos, History of the Church of Satan, Black Magick in Theory and Practice, Dark Arts in Immortality, Prometheus Rising, Pacts With the Devil, Daemons of the Flesh, Yoga of Power
- Satanic Discussion
- Why does Lavey bother calling Lesser Magick, magick?
- Satanic position on the use of magic vs. the Pagan’s.
- The importance of Lesser Magick
- Views on Life
Dave’s Questions
- We’ve discussed this in private many times, but mind sharing with our listeners why it’s called Satanism?
- What are the 9 Satanic Sins? Are there any other moral codes for Satanists to consider following?
- What’s this Law of the Jungle thing?
- Why can’t we treat Satanists roughly? Meaning, why show common courtesy if they’re just going to use us?
- So that people can understand some Satanic jokes, mind explaining to us what a Satanic Altar consists of?
Listener Topics
- Barrett A. Writes:
hey guys i just have a question for the resident satanist. Before I ask i want to make it very clear the only contact with satanism i have had has been this pod-cast. My question is does Satan actually come up in your religion or is the name just there because of the obvious enjoyment satanist’s (and the general pagan community) have in the pursuit of pissing of christians, and if Satan does come up can you really consider it paganism or would it be just a really messed up denomination of christianity, this question is not ment to piss you off its just a question. you rule ashley thanks for what ever info you can provide
- Punkwitch Writes:
Love you guys!! I have a thought. Who is truely the liar? Given all the lies and evil put out by the Xstian church over the years. Is the god that the worship truly their “God”? By this I mean through their own scriptures they proclaim Satan to be the father of lies. In all dealings I have had with Satanists they have always been up front and honest with me on most if not all fronts. I know that in the Satanic church “Satan” is not necessarily seen as a God, nut more of an ideal. But ideas come from somewhere don’t they? Just a thought. Keep it up!!!
- ReannaMarie Tweets:
Have any good web links? Would love to take some classes.TY.
- Travis King Tweets:
Do babies taste good?
- Travis Writes on MySpace:
Dear PCP,
I find your topics amusing and delicious. It’s a lovely retreat from the bible-belters in my military community of Ramstein, Germany.
-Travis
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Final Thoughts
Credits
- Pagan Centered Podcast is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 United States License.
- Season 11 Credits
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I mentioned in a voicemail that these past two episodes made me think of a video and I finally found the actual link to it so you don't have to go look it up. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=386478653...
Reply to Nick F.
Totally haven't had time to check the voicemail
Reply to Dave
that's alright. I only sent it a couple days ago so no biggie 
also I was listening to episode 95 and it made me wonder *snicker snicker*: If a person thought they were a fire elemental from Cowboy Bebop and was doing ritual, would that mean they were otakukin, the spirit of fire, and doing pop culture magick all at the same time? Ahh many lulz were had by me whilst listening to that episode!
+1 Internet for you
Great combination of PCP memes 
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Oh God I think I’m becoming the “Fire Keeper”! I’m not sure I want that to happen! >.<
Reply to Nick F.
Well… your name *is* Nick… lol.
Reply to Dave
What’s that supposed to mean? 
btw I added a link to this site from my new blog that can be reached by clicking on my name. I also plan on doing my own show in the future and was wondering what tips you guys may have for someone just starting out in the world of podcasting?
Aside from the production/post-production stuff that goes into the audio itself, I recommend that if you start a podcast that you try to do something different from what everyone else is already doing… not that it’s a particularly hard thing to do if you’re just being yourself .
Yeah. I like some of the things you guys have (multiple hosts and zaniness) and I want those in my podcast but I also want something all my own. I’m not sure exactly what I’d discuss though. That’s the hardest part for me is coming up with something that would fill even a half hour.
Reply to Nick F.
Find something you are passionate about, want to change/improve and take it from there. Podcasting is about honesty – the level of bluntness though is up to you.
Reply to Dave
Idk. Still working on what to discuss but at least I found a great multi media studio! Yay freeware!
Reply to Nick F.
Also I made a PCP group on http://www.paganspace.com so people can join from that site and have them say hey paganspace, get your act together and stop drudging up old articles. Let me know what you think. I just hope the servers don't blow up.
On another note, I was watching a certain tv channel for geeks when a news feed popped up on screen that mentioned something about nudists being censored in Boulder, CO and having their rights ignored. I went and did some further research and found out that it was an older couple that, while not technically nude, were gardening in the front yard (which happened to be RIGHT ACROSS FROM A FUCKING SCHOOL) in thongs. The neighbors complained but the police couldn't technically arrest them. The landlord, however, found a "nuisance clause" in the contractual agreement and is considering having them evicted for said nuisance. I honestly don't think they have any right to complain, because they're right across from a school and doing this while kids are walking and being driven there in the morning. They have the right to be nearly nude but the kids have the right to not be scarred for life and the parents have the right to raise their kids in a place they feel safe to raise them in. I also think it all goes back to something you mentioned in a previous episode, Dave, about adults not willing to censor themselves. If you know you live in a community that does not approve of such behavior and will come down on those that commit such acts, then don't sit there and be surprised when you know damn good and well what the consequences will be. It also makes me think of an episode of a different podcast where they spoke of proper codes of conduct for adults during a public, family-oriented ritual. What are your opinions of this incident and codes of conduct for public rituals? Here is the article I found: http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2009/jun/06/bould... I strongly suggest reading through some of the user comments. btw Dave I don't mind if you paraphrase this comment. I know I can be very long winded when passionate or annoyed about something. Keep up the good work, crew!
Reply to Nick F.
*correction* I meant I dont think the NUDISTS have any right to complain, not the residents.
Reply to Nick F.
WAY TO GO, http://www.paganspace.com I was just on the forums when I looked up at the top right corner of the pages to see "HELLO, ASLING_OG". Way to go paganspace, way to go. That's not even my profile name. You deserve this: <img src="http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff272/suchi1832/BushSealEpicFail.gif" border="0" alt="Official Seal of Epic Fail Pictures, Images and Photos"/>
And pcp crew, I'd send this via the user feedback link, but the captcha is fucking up for me. Sorry!
Reply to Nick F.
That's okay, this whole WordPress 2.8 upgrade has been epic fail. A whole crap ton of stuff is broken.
Reply to Dave
Thanks, Dave. Yeah it was epic fail, because while I am able to some times get on the computer, more often than not, I view the site on my psp and I've not been able to post comments from there or even read the comments from the top blog post. That has been uber suck aside from not being able to use skype because I don't have the remote plug thingy that would allow me to use the microphone attached to my psp headphones. Stupid Sony.
Reply to Nick F.
IntenseDebate screwed up WordPress 2.8’s admin interface so we wont be using it any longer. There’s no reason it should have hooked that deeply into the software.
Reply to Dave
Excellent! Now its working right for my psp AND I now have that plug for my psp! audio quality is somewhat lower, but hey now it wont take as long to get on and the psp wont crash the way my comp does at random. Thanks for fixing the site, Dave, and keep on keepin on!
Reply to Nick F.
Love the episode, but I just saw ‘http://www.jesus2020.com/’ as a sponsor here, while I was reading the comments for the Satanism episode, and literally choked on my coke laughing.
No matter how many times I refresh, it won’t come up again, but I have a screencap in case nobody believes me.
Gotta love google ads, eh? xD
Reply to Lora
No, no, I meant for audio. I said multi media cuz its in the software title. I can make some really cool mixes with it.
Reply to Nick F.
Ah, okay. I’m still looking for some free/open source video editing software and all of them seem to make Windows Movie Maker look good.
Reply to Dave
PCP Episode 105: Satanism and LHP (Pt. 1 of 2)
Released Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:50:00 -0500 GMT
This episode is 56:48 long. Download MP3 (52.1 MB).
Introductions
- Regular Hosts:
- Amber – A Shamanic Kemetic Theurgist in the Outer Banks of North Carolina
- Ashlee – A Satanist in Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania
- Branden – A Theurgist in the Outer Banks of North Carolina
- Dave – An Eclectic Wiccan in Houston, Texas
- Guests:
- Barbara – A Native American in North Carolina
- James – A Left Hand Path Practitioner in New York
Announcements
- Today we’ll be exploring Satanism with our resident Satanist and a guest host on the subject.
First Commercial Break
- You’re Listening to PCP…
Main Topic of Discussion: Satanism
- Inspiration Article in the NY Post last month about a sixteen year old boy who killed a news reporter and claimed to be a follower of LaVey on his myspace page. Post labled this individual as a “Satan worshipper.”Sex Date With The Devil Article
- Introduction and Background
- Name and experience with Satanism (how you got into Satanism).
- Special guest: James. Personal friend of mine and co creator of this episode.
- History of Satanism
- Satanism in America
- Anton Szandor Lavey
- Credited as the founder of Satanism
- Started the first Church of Satan
- Wrote “The Satanic Bible,” a cornerstone of mainstream
- Satanic belief
- Basics of Satanic Belief: The Law of the Jungle
- The Nine Satanic Statements
- The Infernal Diatrabe
More Commercials
Final Thoughts
Credits
- Pagan Centered Podcast is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 United States License.
- Season 11 Credits
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amazing episode i totally loved the final thought " people learn better face down on the concrete" lol <3 awesome
Reply to Lindsey
This was excellent.
First time commenter, long-time listener. Ashlee and James, thank you for explaining satanism and clearing up misconceptions. I also want to say that I L-O-V-E Ashlee's voice. It's one of the reasons I keep coming back to this podcast. That, and the delightfully snarky commentary.
Reply to Ginger
Yes yes! Ashlee’s voice is sexy! She should join one of those phone sex hotlines. XD
Reply to Nick F.
Great episode. It definetly cleared up a lot of misconceptions I had about Satanism.
I did have one question for Ashlee though… I have heard from a few sources that Satanism is essentially atheism with Satan as more of an archetypal figure rather than a supreme being or deity. I have also noticed a lot of similarities between atheism and Satanism, with the only major difference being that Satanist tend to be more spiritual in nature and commonly have an interest in the metaphysics. My question is would you say that this overview that I explained above describes yourself and the majority of Satanists or practitioners of the left hand path fairly? And have you ever considered atheism? If yes, after considering atheism why were you drawn to Satanism or the left hand path?
Reply to BrendanMay
WTF on MSNBC
Yanno, as much as I’d like to yell “PCP Effect” on this… well… we’ve reviewed quite a few of our peers over the years. But never have we been this harsh in critiquing another show/host:
Wow, I haven't cracked that big a grin since bush did his "ya fool me once, shame…shame on you, fool me twice…uh…fool me twice..uh. you wont get fooled again". bit.
Reply to Regulus
lol I haven't gotten to watch the video because my computer is fucked up, but the comments make me want to read "Rush Limbaugh's a Big Fat Idiot" XD. btw sorry for being away from the site and the show for a long time guys. I've been on sort of a spiritual journey and I'm back here. Oddly enough my quest left me with more questions than answers. Anyway, I've really enjoyed listening to the show again. I only wish that Jason was on more because I love his nerdgasms (yours too, Dave- nice plug for Charlie the Unicorn). I only wish I had the chance to be on the show. Mum is home like half the time and so is sister and they're not exactly the best people to be around when bashing fluffy crap and discussing other pagan topics. Keep up the good work guys. (btw I know it sounds silly but I kinda get what Taylor was talking about. I mean take a look at the ancient greeks and their plays. Do some of the myths predate the plays or were some myths merely a figment of the playwright's imagination?)
Reply to Nick F.
There needs to be an edit button. I made a mistake in my last comment and said "I only wish" when in the next sentence I made another wish. It makes no sense.
Reply to Nick F.
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Trying out a new show notes format.
Reply to Davehonestly …. i kinda liked the old notes they were a bit easier to understand …. but i dunno maybe these will grow on me
Reply to lindseyGuess I’m just used to the old notes as well. Perhaps it should be a poll? Anyway, enjoyed listening to the episode. Not sure I liked having just one host though. I like the diversity of opinions and paths on the show. Enjoyed hearing what Jason had to say.
Reply to Nick F.Originally this was supposed to be a 15-20 minute segment in our community episode. However Jason went on for 2 hours on all sorts of interesting things, hence this became its own episode.
We have another one of these one-on-one shows in 108 (as that was an interview as well) but that’s the last one we plan on doing.
Reply to DaveThis episode only had 1 topic really so that is contributing to the difficulty of reading the show notes.
I am hoping to have show notes more along the format of the Pagan Podcasting Index, Click here for an example.
Reply to DaveI moved the timestamps to the right side, does that make things better or do you think bullets are needed?
Reply to DaveThanks again Dave for allowing me on your podcast, and editing my blather down to some semblance of coherence. Just a quick FYI, I don’t live in Paganistan (the Twin Cities), but Milwaukee.
Reply to Jason Pitzl-WatersFixed.
Reply to DaveThanks again Jason for being on the show!
Reply to Dave(Cross-posted with the Wild Hunt Blog)
I loved the show! I’ve never heard PCP before, and perhaps I won’t enjoy future episodes as well, since I _like_ the single interviewee(”guest host”) approach, which I guess you don’t usually do. But I’ll be listening, that’s for sure…
Thanks for the nod, too, Jason! I love the idea of being an “A List” blog! Though I think the weekly column–sometimes every other week when life is busy–makes my claim to that a little dicey. Still, the complement was greatly appreciated.
One thing Jason said I’d like to challenge: at least twice during the show you referred to Salem Massachusetts as a Pagan “hotspot”, like Paganistan or the Bay area. In my opinion, it is not! Salem is unquestionably the center of New England (maybe global!) Pagan self-promotion. But I think both Boston and Western Massachusetts are actually home to more vital and mature Pagan communities. Salem works to make news, but I think that Boston/Western Mass based organizations like the Earth Spirit Community, as well as the many college Pagan groups, Wiccan traditions from BTW to eclectic, Druid and Asatru groups, and so on, have much more impact in the region than any Salem-based organization. (Salem Pagans, challenge me if you wish; this is my impression based on 18 years as a Massachusetts Pagan.)
One other quibble: I think that Pagans have far more to offer one another than merely social connections. I know that I have grown and deepened in my spiritual journey through both dialog AND ritual encounters with Pagans from other traditions than my native Wicca. I style myself Pagan because I believe there is a spiritual power we can draw from within our very diversity, and that experiences across the boundaries of groups as diverse as reconstructionist paths, ecofeminist Wicca, Druidry, and Ceremonial groups can nourish us as we grow and develop over time. I hope the day never comes when, due to numerical growth, we isolate ourselves from one another.
Diversity, not monoculture, is the sign of a healthy ecosystem. I do not want to live a religiously monocultured spiritual life. (Of course, as the author of something named Quaker Pagan Reflections, I guess that’s pretty obvious!)
Reply to Cat Chapin-BishopOMG! I used to live in western MA! Dalton, MA to be exact! I loved it there! I wasn’t exactly pagan then though.
Reply to Nick F.You may want to listen to our Reconstructionism episode (Episode 98) where we discussed how Reconstructionists and those of Neo-Pagan religions can work together to enrich each other’s paths. Though I don’t think we mentioned spiritual enrichment directly in that conversation.
Reply to DaveI like where the times are. Im not sure either way on the bullets. Thanks, Dave.
Reply to Nick F.very interesting and insightful discussion. it hit upon many of the reasons why i feel nauseated when i hear the phrase “pagan community”, and why i wish that wasn’t the case.
and please keep the video game music. it makes the show feel epic.
Reply to nicoleSorry, we dropped the video game music 87 episodes ago. Though it did make a cameo in Episode 100.
Reply to Davewell whatever the hell it is you’re using now sounds like video game music to me. gives me the urge to dig up my snes for some starfox.
Reply to nicoleIt makes me wanna play Zelda: A Link to the Past on snes or Star Tropics for the nes. I loved that game. Who knew killing zombie dogs with a yo-yo could be so addicting?
Reply to Nick F.I loved this episode, especially when you were talking about the use of “magic” or “craft” names. I think more people need to realize that it’s ok if your name is Bob or Sue. It doesn’t make you less magical. You don’t have to be Raven Silver Moonbeam Star-Kitten, you can be Bob or Sue. And before you ask, yes, my name is Serenity Marie.
Reply to Serenity MarieAnyway, just my two cents about names.