“A man thinks that by mouthing hard words he understands hard things.”
- Herman Melville
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“A man thinks that by mouthing hard words he understands hard things.”
- Herman Melville
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Its very similar to something I’ve always said about the scientific community
“Just because you can give something a fancy name doesn’t mean you understand it”
Usually used when somebody blows something magickal off as “Oh its just the placebo effect”
Yes but the scientific community still have no freaking clue how it works or even what the limits of the effect are. So they just give it a fancy name so they they can continue to pretend they understand everything.
Hmmm, you got me thinking about something Micky. What is the placebo effect exactly? Its when you take something (like a sugar pill) and are absolutely convinced it will do a certain thing and then that certain thing happens. Sounds a lot like energy work to me.
Think about it, energy working it basically focusing your will to influence the Universe around you so by scientists calling it the “placebo effect” they are essentially just affirming that “yes, that was energywork” and thus helping to prove the existence of magic.
OMG….BRILLIANT!!!! MICKY YOU ARE A GENIOUS!!!
But what if you were to give someone a sugar pill saying it will make them feel blissful and happy, but your intent is utter pain – and the result is still blissful happiness?
Ashlee: Well the placebo effect is an umbrella term for any time (usually in medicine) where somebody’s beliefs or thoughts can influence their body and or mind. Which is just like will and energy work, you’re right.
As of yet the scientific community has only vague theories as to how it works.
This exact thing has happened throughout history, occultists of old wrote of the principle of vibration, that everything that exists vibrates at a fundamental level and that this determines it’s spiritual properties.
A millennium later scientists determine that all matter vibrates at the atomic level, and if you take this into string theory, subatomic particles are made of strings of energy, the vibration of which determines their properties.
Likewise the Astral Light which occultists have discussed for time out of mind, well before modern physics. It is an energy field which radiated from the original fire of creation (the astral fire) from whence the universe came, the Astral light permeates everything and is everywhere, it is universal containing all kinds of energy.
Sounds a lot like…background radiation, a field of energy which came from the fires of creation (the big bang) and permeates everything in existence, while containing almost all kinds of electromagnetic energy.
There is a long history of occultists discovering things, and then modern science rediscovering them many many centuries later.
Scientist: “LIEK OMG GUYZ I JUST DISCOVERED LIEK EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE VIBRATES! AND THIS KEWL ENERGY FIELD I CALL BACKGROUND RADIATION!”
Occultist: “Yes, yes…we knew that. Go play over there, we’re working on the next big thing”
@Mike-P: Well, science is about proving in an objective manner how and why something works. Unlike occultism where “Well, it works” is an acceptable response (for some but not all) – Science doesn’t care if you think it works or not.
Science is more interested in proof – does it actually work? If so, let’s figure out how. Unfortunately, our ability to properly observe things sometimes limits science – other times it’s simply a lack of interest (e.g. “That’s so goddamn silly – it can’t possibly work so it’s not worth my time”).
The good thing about Science is that, when done properly, it is truly objective. Therefore someone who comes into the process thinking “this can’t possibly work” can, using the Scientific Method, wind up proving the very thing they thought was so silly that it wasn’t worth their time if it wasn’t a pop culture phenomenon. This was the case with scientific study of hormesis with regards to poisons when it was first done – now Google Scholar pulls up many peer-reviewed studies of hormesis:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=hormesis
Does it make sense that a drop of poison diluted to the equivalent of all the world’s oceans should still be able to cure you? Not at face value, but it somehow works. I’ll leave the “how” explanations to the scientists.
Mickey -P: Fascinating
LOL xD silly scientists 
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